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“There is no way you can detect radiation from cell phones. If you can demonstrate that you can identify whether a phone is active or not inside a closed box, it would be an incredible medical breakthrough! Has any of you ever performed such an experiment?”
My reply and explanation
First of all, I do not usually approve the entry of “EMF/EHS harm-deniers” into this group. As an exception, I have approved your membership and your comment, for the slim chance that you are truly naive and unfamiliar with the subject, haven’t experienced it yourself, and are genuinely here to learn. However, if there is any hint of denying the damages or denying Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity (EHS) in your comments, I will block you.
I suspect you are basing your opinion on flawed experiments regarding EHS published in industry-funded studies. These studies committed numerous errors in exposure testing, including exposing subjects when there was supposedly no exposure, and expecting sensitive individuals to react to every type of non-ionizing radiation—instantly, always, and to be “as good as new” after a few minutes without exposure (or with less exposure). You can read about these studies and their flaws on my website:
https://www.norad4u.com/ehs/studies-disproving-ehs/
Naturally, these studies were embraced by deniers and promoted by the industry as if they were the truth. To this day, this is what is taught in academia (without understanding the subject and without a critical look at the studies themselves). In contrast, there are many studies showing that EHS individuals react in one way or another to exposure, as well as studies showing biomarkers and neurological findings in EHS sufferers. These studies are also summarized on my site:
https://www.norad4u.com/ehs/studies-supporting-ehs/
It is possible that you simply do not want to believe that EHS is possible or caused by radiation, and it is easy and convenient for you to think we are all mentally ill. After all, you are a high-tech worker, a computer science graduate, likely a heavy cell phone user, and surrounded by radiation throughout your day. To think that you are harming yourself is a problematic thought for you. Thinking that you don’t understand or know everything might also be an inconceivable thought.
You seem to feel contempt toward those who are sensitive, and contempt toward the possibility that EHS is real, caused by radiation exposure, and that non-ionizing radiation (specifically RF radiation) has biological and health effects at exposure levels lower than those that cause heating. If that is the case, you probably won’t be able to “digest” studies showing mechanisms of harm, effects, damages, and morbidity resulting from exposure (https://www.norad4u.com/emf-science-studies/studies-lists/). This contradicts what is common in “denier” and industry circles.
Regarding whether EHS individuals can identify transmitting phones inside a box: the answer is not always, and not every person. The individual must be sensitive to the specific type of radiation being transmitted (not everyone is sensitive to all types of frequencies and transmissions. Asmart phone my be emitting UMTS, LTE, WIFI, Bluetooth, NFC, other…), and the intensity must be such that it causes a noticeable and distinct change, without harming them or worsening their condition.
I, for example, feel cell phones. In the past, when I was more sensitive and worked in high-tech, I would literally “detect” active cell phones through the drywall of my lab, and discover transmissions inside the lab or at home. Usually, I was later able to confirm this with a radiation meter and find the source. Today, I am less sensitive and can spend a little time in an environment with cell phones, so my detection ability is lower. But still, after a day of cumulative exposure that is too high for me, I will feel unwell.
For instance, this week I am conducting tests in my home lab with RF transmitters in the open air. I sit two meters away from the transmitters (a transmission weaker than the average cell phone). I don’t feel the radiation immediately, but by the end of the day, I am more tired than usual. Last week, there was one day where I overdid it with the exposure (working with an amplifier), and than I felt the radiation during the day. There was even a point in the day, as the pain accumulated, where I could actually feel every start and end of a transmission, and even an electric field from a USB cable I added near the computer. Then, and exactly then, that additional radiation was enough to trigger my “detection.” The next day, after a good night’s sleep, I no longer felt the cables.
Personally, I have had hundreds of cases where I identified radiation based on feeling and later identified the source with a meter. This includes cases where radiation shielding stopped working (e.g., a grounding wire disconnected) and I identified it by feeling worse. I assume many EHS sufferers here have similar experiences—not every time, not with every type of radiation, but with the right exposure, at the right intensities and the right type, they recognize it.
This is not something you can base a precise research protocol on that will work for everyone, everytime. But it is enough to understand that you are sensitive. Even those with mild (Low) sensitivity, who are only at the beginning of their decline, will notice that every time they talk for more than “X” amount of time on a cell phone held to their head, they get a headache afterward. This might sound delusional to addicts or industry people, but it is very common.
Beyond that, I guide many sensitive individuals, and during the process, we gradually reduce their exposure to radiation. In most cases, the improvement is significant. Furthermore, in the past, there were those who intentionally exposed me to radiation to see if I would react (without my consent or knowledge); I usually caught them fairly quickly (though not instantly). Today, as mentioned, I am less sensitive (an improvement resulting from years of reducing exposure and improving my health), and I probably wouldn’t identify it as quickly.
